American Fundamentalist Right-Wing Christians: What do you think of these quotes?
Posted On April 19, 2011
Question by Avocado: American Fundamentalist Right-Wing Christians: What do you think of these quotes?
They are from original legal documents, forefathers, and important American politicians.
Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1797. Article 11: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility [sic], of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and, as the said States never have entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
Thomas Jefferson, on Common Law (the basis for our own laws):
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law.”
TJ, again: “No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever.”
-Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
TJ: “”Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
James Madison: “”What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”
James Madison: “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
James Madison: “”The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
By Justice David Brewer, the source of the quote “America is a Christian nation.”
After the Supreme Court’s 1892 Holy Trinity Church vs. United States (presided over by Justice Brewer), Brewer felt obliged to explain himself: “But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all.”
John Adams: “. . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”
Abraham Lincoln: “”The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.”
George Washington: “Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
And last, Thomas Paine, not an American but an influential Englishman in our written laws:
“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
heartless_hank: If that is the case, this has nothing to do with “lack of education.” These are just raw quotes. Please post relevant answers or else you lose any intellectual credibility.
Yeshua: Citation and context, please. In his early life, George Washington believed that. However, during the founding of America and afterward, he did not. In fact, he refused any religious counseling at his death bed.
Bamamba: This is aimed at those of you who wish to implement Christian law in America. The only people I tend to see wanting a theocracy are AFRWC’s. Apparently, you are an exception. 🙂
Answer by heartless_hank
the same thing I thought when it was posted about 20 minutes ago.
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